'Les Will Take Over the Game Plan': Tim Horan on the Joe Schmidt-to-Les Kiss Wallaby Handover
Rugby Union|8 May 2026 4 min read

'Les Will Take Over the Game Plan': Tim Horan on the Joe Schmidt-to-Les Kiss Wallaby Handover

By Rugby News Desk · AI-assisted

Stan Sport's Rugby Heaven panel — Tim Horan, Justin Harrison and Michael Atkinson — sketch the Wallabies' staggered Joe Schmidt-to-Les Kiss handover and run the rule over four very different backline picks 50 days out from Ireland in Sydney.

Key Takeaways

  • 1."I'm hearing Les Kiss will come in and have a bit of an influence over maybe the second Test match against France in Brisbane," Horan said.
  • 2."Definitely the third Test match." Asked what "influence" actually means with Schmidt still in the chair, Horan was specific.
  • 3."On selection, on a little bit of selection, but also how the game plan and the style of game that he wants to be able to pick up post those three Test matches," he said.

The Wallabies' first Test of 2026 — Ireland in Sydney on July 4 — is now inside fifty days, and Stan Sport's Rugby Heaven has used the runway to map the bit of the season most fans haven't focused on: the staggered head-coaching handover from Joe Schmidt to Les Kiss.

Tim Horan, who has been across the rugby beat for as long as anyone, told the panel that Kiss won't simply walk in cold for the third Test against France in Brisbane.

"I'm hearing Les Kiss will come in and have a bit of an influence over maybe the second Test match against France in Brisbane," Horan said. "Definitely the third Test match."

Asked what "influence" actually means with Schmidt still in the chair, Horan was specific.

"On selection, on a little bit of selection, but also how the game plan and the style of game that he wants to be able to pick up post those three Test matches," he said.

The host, Michael Atkinson, pushed back on the timing. Why not just start implementing the Kiss style from the first Test?

"Because Les says it's Joe — it's Joe Schmidt's team and his style in those — until a week later when, you know, opening up and Joe Schmidt's going to disappear off the face of the earth," Horan said. "He's still going to want to have a coaching record intact to maybe get a job somewhere else one day when he's ready."

It is one of the more unusual handovers a Tier 1 nation has run in years — the incoming head coach scaffolding the outgoing head coach's farewell tour, and quietly building game-plan continuity inside it.

The other half of the show was a four-way Wallaby backline pick. Horan, Justin Harrison, Atkinson and absent regular Cameron Shepard each filed a XV. The disagreements were instructive.

Horan went Khalani Thomas at scrum-half, Carter Gordon at fly-half, Hunter Paisami and Joseph Suaalii in midfield, with Filipo Daugunu, Tim Jorgensen and Tom Wright the back three.

"I've gone Khalani Thomas — I think his form the last three or four weeks has been great," Horan said. "Ryan Lonergan probably got the jump on him early this year and is a goal-kicker. But then I've gone Carter Gordon at 10. We need someone who's going to be the 10 for the next two or three years. Carter Gordon — pick him."

Atkinson questioned the call. "What are you basing that on? You're picking him on what you've seen from him this year?"

"What I've seen from him, and also I know what he can produce," Horan said. "I don't think he's at his best yet."

He defended Suaalii at outside centre against the temptation to keep him at fullback. "I think he's a wonderful player — he's a star player in a gold jersey," he said. "I noticed you guys haven't gone for Joseph."

Justin Harrison, the former Wallaby lock, ran a "gun-to-the-head" pick — meaning a backline he would name an hour before kickoff if he had to. He went with Filipo Daugunu at outside centre, Tim Jorgensen and Dylan Pietsch on the wings, and Tom Wright at fullback.

"I feel like Daugunu at 13 — let's call it a controversial pick," Harrison said. "You've got to find a way to get him in the team. Is Jorgensen and Pietsch out of the team? No way — because then they're gone forever and next contract they sign overseas. That's a consideration."

His Tom Wright call at 15 was less about the moment and more about messaging.

"Tom Wright, he's my specky because I know he's world class, I know he's got more in him, and I'm going to pick him because I'm backing you," Harrison said. "That coach relationship — I'm taking a risk on you, you take a risk for me."

Atkinson, the only host willing to stick a flag in Josh Flook over both Suaalii and Daugunu, was upfront that he was using Super Rugby Pacific form as the entire input.

"I'm picking this team based on who I think has really performed in Super Rugby Pacific," Atkinson said. "Where I think it's a bit tricky or we haven't had any standouts, like I've gone Lenny Katau at 12 who's been injured a lot, I've stuck with Lenny Katau."

His big call was Jock Campbell at fullback — a player who has not pulled on a Wallaby jersey in Test rugby since 2022.

"Big call at 15. I went with Jock Campbell, who hasn't played Test rugby since 2022. But I think he has been vital," Atkinson said. "Reward form — that's a form pick."

Two themes ran across all four picks. The first: nobody trusts the No. 10 conversation yet, and Carter Gordon is still doing the job of multiple players in the conversation. The second: the goal-kicking quietly drives most of the picks. Horan flagged Ben Donaldson, "the best goal-kicker in the comp at 82, 83 per cent at the moment", as the pragmatist's solution — the one element a head coach in transition can least afford to get wrong.

The Wallabies have the time. They also have a sitting head coach managing his own legacy and an incoming head coach choosing his moment. Fifty days is short for a backline; it's even shorter for a handover.